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 Big issues in dressage: The Hyperflexion/Rollkur/behind the vertical controversy

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What is your opinion of techniques such as Hyperflexion/Rollkur
For experts only
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Fine for any dressage rider
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I'm not really sure, but world champion riders do it so it's probably ok
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I don't know enough about it to say either way
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I'm not really sure, but something about it just doesn't seem right
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I don't like it
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It's abusive and should be banned
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PostSubject: Big issues in dressage: The Hyperflexion/Rollkur/behind the vertical controversy   Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:58 am

I'm no expert, but to me it just doesn't seem right. I've read some pretty compelling arguments from experts I respect who disagree with it.

I was recently re-reading bits of Andrew McLean's book "The Truth About Horses", where he says this about learned helplessness:

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Learned Helplessness
If an animal experiences pain - for example from severe bits being applied with relentless pressure, or from constant spurring - and finds that no response results in relief, it may gradually habituate to the pain. This phenomenon is known as "learned helplessness".

There are some interesting videos on youtube posted by someone who is against it, the first one is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyozYRj2oz0

They quote the people who use the technique, and then show video they have taken of warm up arenas of riders using the methods.

The argument can clearly be made that some of these horses could be in a state of 'learned helplessness'.

There is also an interesting article here on riding horses "behind the vertical" in general, including the less extreme forms of it that are widely seen in competition.

A lot of food for thought!

So what do you think?
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PostSubject: Re: Big issues in dressage: The Hyperflexion/Rollkur/behind the vertical controversy   Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:27 am

That behind the vertical article is so good. Every dressage fan should read it!
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PostSubject: Behind the vertical   Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:55 am

Hi, I'm new to this list. What artical are you referring to regarding BTV?
I personally think that most riders ride btv - and think it is correct. It is something to do with the roundness of the back to the front in motion. I do not see the sense in it, and certainly anyone riding rollkur should be banned from sitting on a beautiful horses back!
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PostSubject: Re: Big issues in dressage: The Hyperflexion/Rollkur/behind the vertical controversy   Sat Sep 26, 2009 2:45 am

It's this article on SustainableDressage.com:

http://www.sustainabledressage.com/rollkur/behind_the_vertical.php
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